I apologize for bringing this up again, but what should be done about the strictly NuCanon information in this book? Should we perhaps create an article specifically for Lothal in Legends, for instance? --LelalMekha (talk) 13:00, June 6, 2016 (UTC)
- Disregard my previous statement, a Lothal/Legends page has already been created. On the other hand, the book also states that the Jedi Temple has been transformed into the Imperial Palace, which is not consistent with Legends. -- LelalMekha ( talk ) 13:11, June 6, 2016 (UTC) I have removed the Legends category for the time being. I should have done this some time ago when I learned that Ashoka Tano and the Lothal Rebels were mentioned in an article for the game, but I had not gotten around to it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:17, June 6, 2016 (UTC) Have we officially decided how to handle the lore presented in these books? It seems there isn't a clear-cut solution. --LelalMekha (talk) 13:18, June 6, 2016 (UTC) Not really a concrete decision. The closest guideline we have is to treat it as Legends material unless something from outside the films directly contradicts it and originates from the Canon timeline. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:32, June 6, 2016 (UTC) We must reach a firm conclusion soon, especially with the increasing amount of Rebels content appearing in FFG's products. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 13:35, June 6, 2016 (UTC) I'm afraid that not enough editors are interested in discussing this matter. We've had this discussion numerous times, but it always involves the same small group of Wookieepedians. This hardly constitutes a proper quorum, and unfortunately, it never leads to any resolution. --LelalMekha (talk) 13:40, June 6, 2016 (UTC) Canon information should be placed on canon pages. If it's from Legends, it belongs on Legends pages. All of this Rebels content should be on canon pages. We shouldn't be making Legends pages for things like the Lothal Jedi Temple. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:37, June 6, 2016 (UTC) So, does that mean Master Lodaka is now canon, since it's mentioned she was buried on Lothal? --LelalMekha (talk) 14:40, June 6, 2016 (UTC) The problem is that we can't integrate Legends sources into a Canon article, or the other way around. I understand your point, but I believe that including Legends sources in Canon articles or Canon sources in Legends articles would be even more problematic. That's why it's better to create separate Legends tabs, which keeps them distinct, especially if the source doesn't align with the timeline. In this regard, you can consider me and possibly LelalMekha as staunch segregationists. We already have issues with people incorrectly sourcing Canon materials in Legends tabs. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:42, June 6, 2016 (UTC) I concur with Brandon; Rebels is strictly canon. However, in some of the new FaD books, places such as Tython are presented as in-universe legends, as if their existence is uncertain. This suggests that the books are canon, especially since the new books have Story Group credits at the beginning. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 14:53, June 6, 2016 (UTC)
I don't view these as Legends sources, nor do I consider them to be canon sources. Not everything will have a clear continuity. Some elements exist in the meta, drawing from all aspects of the Star Wars franchise. We should avoid treating Fantasy Flight Games products as having a specific overall continuity. Instead, we should examine each release and determine whether the information is canon or Legends. In the case of Lothal, it's clearly canon. Consider Ciena Ree as well. Fantasy Flight Games created the official image for that character, which was promoted on The Star Wars Show and by the Story Group as her official appearance. If we treated Fantasy Flight Games as strictly Legends, we'd have to create "Ciena Ree/Legends" for that image, which would be incorrect. Therefore, let's move away from the idea that "Fantasy Flight Games is Legends" or "Fantasy Flight Games is canon" and instead evaluate the individual information to determine where it belongs. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 14:54, June 6, 2016 (UTC)
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A case-by-case approach does seem reasonable. How would you classify places like Bardotta, which originated in TCW but appeared before the reboot? - AV-6R7 Crew Pit 15:02, June 6, 2016 (UTC) I would treat it as canon. Only Wookieepedia considers TCW as both canon and Legends. This is not an official stance, but rather a decision made here for article management purposes. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:13, June 6, 2016 (UTC) There's also the issue of Canon material appearing in what are clearly Legends sources (e.g., the AT-DP and the Lasan Suppression in Imperial Handbook). Unless they fully commit to segregation and explicitly state which side they belong to, without including characters or events that were previously exclusive to Legends (except for those in the original six films or The Clone Wars), we need to create separate articles. This is especially important because we already have problems with users incorrectly including Legends sources in Canon articles and vice versa (we even had several mix-ups just a few days ago that were reverted). I strongly believe in complete segregation, with no exceptions unless the sources are specifically confirmed to be both Canon and Legends. Either we keep everything in separate articles, or we merge them into a single article with canon and legends being mixed together indiscriminately. Those are the only two options. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:20, June 6, 2016 (UTC) If there's confusion, we could create a stickied Senate Hall post to organize this discussion. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 15:23, June 6, 2016 (UTC) Imperial Handbook is different because canon material was included in it, but it was officially labeled as Legends. Let's not discuss that further, as it's not relevant to this conversation. In the case of Fantasy Flight Games, they draw from all sources because they are more of a meta source, so canon-specific information can go on canon pages and Legends-specific information can go on Legends pages. This still maintains the division you're referring to, Weedle, without applying a continuity to the overall product (since there is no continuity for it). - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:27, June 6, 2016 (UTC) It appears we have some pages to merge. I'll need to examine my collection of FFG materials when I get home. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 15:31, June 6, 2016 (UTC) What about species descriptions? Enter the Unknown, for example, has a description of the Chiss, who have been canonized in Star Wars: Commander. --LelalMekha (talk) 21:44, June 7, 2016 (UTC) EtU predates the canon reboot; I don't believe it was even reviewed by the SG, based on my copy of EotE. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 21:46, June 7, 2016 (UTC) Regarding the Chiss specifically, my apologies. However, the question remains in general. A better example: should we accept the species descriptions for the Aleena, Gungans, Bardottans, and Devaronians in Nexus of Power at face value? --LelalMekha (talk) 21:53, June 7, 2016 (UTC) Bardottan culture was introduced in TCW, so I think it's generally safe to consider it canon. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 21:56, June 7, 2016 (UTC) I believe anything in Nexus of Power is safe to assume is canon unless it's explicitly or obviously Legends-only. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 22:10, June 7, 2016 (UTC) For reference (since others have had questions about this since we made this decision), here is a good example of why FFGs shouldn't be blanket treated as Legends. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 03:19, June 9, 2016 (UTC)
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Is there a clear dividing line, though? Stay on Target (Dec. 2014) includes the X-wing (obviously a canon vehicle), but the description is clearly from Legends. Corellian Premier The Force will be with you always 15:35, June 15, 2016 (UTC) I intend to review everything since the canon split and create a list of Canon, Legends, and New elements in all of them, although it may take some time due to other commitments. Out of curiosity, how are we handling entirely new articles from this book, such as Weik? Are they assumed to be canon? Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:04, June 16, 2016 (UTC)
Where exactly is the boundary? What is the established rule for determining what is canon versus legends in this book? --Potsk (talk) 12:19, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
- Refer to our policy regarding FFG material . UberSoldat93 ( talk ) 12:21, 31 October 2020 (UTC)