Talk: Centerpoint Station

General

Wasn't it Sal-Solo, if my memory serves me correctly, who employed it to annihilate the Yuuzhan Vong fleet? It seems that Anakin had aspirations to do the same, but Jacen, being the cautious one, prevented him. QuentinGeorge 10:23, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Yuuzzies, you say? That's a term I haven't heard before. -- Riffsyphon1024 10:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I believe this article is missing some crucial background details. Who was responsible for its creation? What sequence of events led to its placement there? While it's true that Hollowtown was deserted, when exactly did that happen? And who were the inhabitants during its populated phase? 62.74.5.134 08:39, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Q: By whom was it constructed?

A: The answer to this question is currently unknown. However, based on Time Tales' conjecture using Cracken's Threat Dossier and The Essential Chronology, the Corellian system, including CS's orbital position, dates back approximately one million years.

A fan theory that posits the same ancient, vanished civilization that positioned the Maw (dubbed the "Hyperspace Aliens") may have constructed Centerpoint Station has been circulating in certain circles, including my own. Due to its complexity, I'll refrain from elaborating at this moment. I must emphasize that it lacks any connection to the Rakata/Rataka/whatever from KOTOR, contrary to what some individuals seem determined to associate everything with.

Q: How did it arrive at its current location?

A: I'm interpreting this question as inquiring about how it managed to move planets across the vast interstellar distances. It achieved this by using its repulsor tractor beam to lock onto planetary repulsors embedded in the planets' crusts, subsequently pulling them through Hyperspace toward the eventual location of the Corellian system. Centerpoint Station derived its power from the gravitational influences of Talus and Tralus.

Q: When did Hollowtown become uninhabited?

A: Hollowtown met its demise when the central Glowpoint triggered its incineration during the Sacorrian Triad's use of the Station to induce a supernova in their first star during the Corellian Crisis, specifically in 18 ABY (Year 53).

Q: Who were the inhabitants of Hollowtown during its populated period?

A: Hollowtown was populated by individuals originating from Talus and Tralus. Following the city's destruction, the few survivors returned to these planets.--Spanky The Dolphin 02:03, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)

• The term "Hyperspace Aliens" is merely a fan-created label and has no bearing on the discovery of hyperdrive. I've removed that irrelevant information from the article. It's quite late, but I'll see what I can contribute tomorrow.--Spanky The Dolphin 08:02, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)

In 'The Joiner King,' the Killiks assert their role in its creation.

• The Killiks are not to be trusted! Disregard their claims! Jasca Ducato 18:00, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC) My apologies; that was unwarranted. However, regarding the Killiks' involvement in the creation of Centerpoint Station, it's plausible that a Joiner connected to one of the Killik nests participated in the station's construction. When an individual joins a Killik nest, a portion of their consciousness is integrated into the collective. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:10, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

What about the Kwa? This extra-galactic species was responsible for constructing the Infinity Gate and Star Temple located on Dathomir. It's conceivable that they also erected Centerpoint Station in the distant past, predating the Old Republic.

Why is there any uncertainty surrounding Centerpoint Station's movement of Talus and Tralus? The Corellian Trilogy provides clear evidence that both planets are equipped with hyperdrive engines within their planetary bodies. Darthcraigious 15:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• It's possible that another source presented conflicting information. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 19:21, 10 July 2006 (UTC) Could you please provide more details?Darthcraigious 21:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC) I merely suggested a possibility. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 22:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Stub

Why is a planet-related stub being used instead of a technology-related stub, or something else entirely? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:52, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)

• The likely reason is that Centerpoint, despite its artificial nature, fulfills the criteria of an inhabited planet (or moon) with a stable orbit and a permanent population (until its evacuation). Admiral Wes Janson The same logic could be applied to the Death Star II, which functioned as a moon orbiting the Forest Moon of Endor and housed a significant population (even if their presence was due to their assigned duties). Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 12:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC) However, the Death Star II was still under construction, and its intended purpose was mobility. Its presence there was temporary, akin to being in a shipyard. If the Death Star were intended to remain in orbit indefinitely and lacked engines, then I would agree with using a planet/moon stub. --AdmiralWesJanson 07:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC) But it would not be classified as a moon or planet, just as Centerpoint Station isn't. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 11:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Size

What is the explanation for the listed length of 1000 km? That dimension exceeds the size of the Second Death Star! My understanding from Assault at Selonia was that it measured 350 km in length and approximately 100 km in width. Can anyone provide a source for the current measurement? Chack Jadson 01:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

• Coruscant and the Core Worlds confirms a diameter of 100 km for the central sphere. It also verifies that Hollowtown has a diameter of 60 km. Enochf 12:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Recent Change

The article previously suggested that Talus and Tralus "possibly" possessed planetary repulsors and "may have" originated within the Corellian System. However, "Showdown at Centerpoint" explicitly states multiple times that these planets do indeed have planetary repulsors. I have updated the article to reflect this fact.

Centerpoint Images

I've noticed a discrepancy in the depiction of Centerpoint, with two primary canonical versions. One version is presented in the NEC and as the main image in this article, while the other is found in schematics and the Essential Guide to Planets and Moons, as shown here:

http:// img137.imageshack.us/img137/3079/centerpointstationgt4.jpg

Are these differences simply artistic interpretations, or is one version considered more authoritative for this article? --Sauron18 06:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

• I believe the image currently in the article is preferable to the one you've linked. — Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 11:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC) What is the reasoning behind that preference? --Sauron18 12:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC) The shapes appear more uniform, and the overall aesthetic is cleaner. That's my opinion. Enochf 12:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC) Which image are you referring to? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 21:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC) The image on the talk page. Enochf 21:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC) For one, it bears a striking resemblance to something from Star Wars: Droids, which isn't ideal for an article. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 21:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC) Is there a 'canonical' justification for this preference? --Anguirus111 04:18, 6 May 2007 (UTC) We generally prioritize the most recent image, which in this case is from The New Essential Chronology. The Centerpoint depicted in that image is consistent with the main image used in the article. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) 13:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC) Wow, Freud could write volumes about that image. Ajrand 02:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Earliest Sighting

What guidelines are used for determining a ship/station's "earliest sighting"? Given that it's measured in GFFA years (BBY/ABY), does that inherently make it an in-universe designation? If so, it seems illogical to list Centerpoint's earliest sighting as 18 ABY. While that may be the date of its first mention, it certainly wasn't concealed from the Corellians prior to that.

• Centerpoint is referenced by the librarian in the Theed library within Star Wars Galaxies. As SWG is set in 1 ABY, this suggests that knowledge of Centerpoint existed prior to 18 ABY. Tom rules 20:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC) I think the core issue has been missed. Canonically, Centerpoint has existed for millennia. Since "earliest sighting" is expressed in ABY or BBY years, it's an IU measurement, correct? If it were OOU, it would be listed as "Ambush at Corellia," rather than in an IU format. Therefore, as an in-universe concept, and considering Centerpoint's long-standing presence in the Corellian system (according to canon), its "first sighting" cannot be 18 ABY. I suggest either listing it as 1,000,000 BBY, reflecting its construction by the Celestials, or simply omitting the "earliest sighting" date altogether to avoid inaccuracy. 72.179.42.79 07:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC) Apologies, that was my comment without being signed in. Jenosidanian 07:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Continuity Headaches

Just a minor point: Wedge Antilles, a Corellian native who grew up in the Corellian system, which houses this massive space station with a 350-kilometer diameter, is the one who exclaims "look at the size of that thing" upon seeing the relatively small Death Star? (from the officail site) I propose incorporating this detail into the article. Mauser 15:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

• I've encountered news stories about individuals weighing half a ton, but that doesn't diminish my awe when I see 350-pound linemen during football games.

• A slightly more significant continuity issue arises from Han's dismissal of the idea that the DS was a space station. The explanation is straightforward: the concept of Centerpoint didn't exist when the film was made. 81.86.76.6 20:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

• This can be reconciled without creating a continuity error: Centerpoint has been present since the beginning of time, crafted by enigmatic, god-like beings believed to have shaped the Corellian System and the Maw. It's a cosmic enigma, a wonder of the galaxy, akin to the Pyramids of Giza, with an unknown purpose. The Death Star, on the other hand, was secretly constructed by the Empire using contemporary technology, not the lost secrets of the Celestials. It's understandable that Han would doubt anyone could replicate the Celestials' work. However, when Han first observed the Death Star, he was unaware of its modern construction. He lacked any information about it. It could have been another prehistoric structure. His statement indicated disbelief that something of that size could be a space station at all, not that he doubted its contemporary origin. Asithol 20:09, March 2, 2012 (UTC)

Babylon station look-alike

Has anyone else noticed the resemblance between Centerpoint and the Babylon stations? - 64.222.149.167 00:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

No artificial gravity?

So, it possessed the capability to move planets through space, yet lacked artificial gravity because it hadn't been invented yet? That seems like a weak justification. Is it canon, or simply someone's interpretation of why Hollowtown was built where it was?

• Not gonna tell ya 12:00, 9.4.08 (PST)

• I concur. It seems illogical that a civilization with the technological prowess to manipulate gravity and collapse a star on the far side of the galaxy would be unable to create artificial gravity. SpartHawg948 02:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

• It's plausible that the initial colonizers of Shell 1 recognized the gravity generated by its rotation and determined it to be an ideal location for settlement. --99.141.199.96 16:15, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

eras icons

Should the eras icon above the infobox be updated to include a pre-republic symbol? Given that 1,000,000 BBY falls within that era, right?--Call me Zakkoroen.Talk to me.What I've done.. 21:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Deck layout and rotation axis of Centerpoint Station?

How does Centerpoint Station rotate? Does it rotate along its longitudinal axis (around a line running through the center of Hollow Town and the cylinders)? If the station's rotation around its longitudinal axis is intended to simulate gravity, how are the decks within the cylinders arranged? I believe the station rotates around its longitudinal axis, with each deck forming a cylindrical layer. Each cylinder (meaning each cylindrical deck layer) contains another cylinder within it, and each deck is the inner surface of a cylindrical layer. Is my understanding correct? And given that Sinkhole Station is a replica of Centerpoint, does that imply that Sinkhole Station's cylinder deck layout is similar to Centerpoint Station's? Therefore, are my assumptions about the deck layout and rotation axis also accurate for Sinkhole Station? Your assistance would be greatly appreciated, as I am quite confused about the rotation and deck layout of these two stations.--Khosann 19:49, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

• Based on the passage "From a distance, it appeared as a huge partially translucent sphere with two small cylindrical poles facing Talus and Tralus." the station's poles maintain a fixed position while the shell rotates around that axis. This would resemble Babylon 5's depiction, as opposed to a bicycle spoke tumbling end over end. -- Qwartx ( talk ) 18:49, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Creators

The article attributes its creation to both the Thuruht and the Celestials, with the Celestials' article also claiming their involvement. What is the explanation for this apparent contradiction? 216.189.254.200 04:59, October 17, 2017 (UTC)