Talk: Luke Skywalker

if there are new jedi in Episode VII how would we know if they were trained by Luke or one of Luke's Students? 108.239.129.130 06:55, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

• If they are specifically mentioned as having been trained by Luke, then they can be listed under this page's "Apprentice" field. - Brandon Rhea 07:12, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Even if this is new canon, it should still stay in neutral tone, right? I quickly glanced through the current Lightsaber abilities section and it didn't sound that neutral to me, but idolizing Luke in a big way.--Dionne Jinn 21:35, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Then feel free to change the way the info is presented. That is all I can say lol. Matt Seay (talk) 00:06, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Surely the stuff about Form V is not canon? CadBanesHat (talk) 07:10, May 26, 2014 (UTC)

Are there any objections to using a different main image? One that shows his face or something from RotJ, as opposed to the cloaked one. Admiral James Kaizer (talk) 18:03, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Is there a reason why the canon link for Red 5 goes Straight to the luke canon page? Jkirk8907 (talk) 06:15, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Obi-Wan says, "the new hope will rise" that is referring to Luke is it not? Matt Seay (talk) 16:01, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

• Bit of a stretch, IMO. Could also have referred to Leia. — 16:17, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Could be possible but Obi-Wan and Yoda always saw Luke as the new Hope. Matt Seay (talk) 16:22, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

• That's speculation, however. It's really ambiguous, not worth trying to guess what he's referring to. 1358(Talk) 16:24, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Alright well I thought it might have been an important indirect mention of Luke. I wanted to make Sure is all. I know the whole time Luke is growing up Obi-Wan still think Luke will grow up to be the savior of the Galaxy or whatever but It is not like he comes out and says, "The son of Anakin Skywalker will save us all." Matt Seay (talk) 16:28, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

• It's pretty obvious what the reference is, but I agree it's not enough to add to a Wookieepedia page. - Brandon Rhea 16:32, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah now that I think about it, unless some more direct reference is made like the "There is another Skywalker" think from Sacrifice then it should not be noted I guess. Matt Seay (talk) 16:37, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

• Let's not take this to an unnecessary extreme. The "a new hope" line could easily be referring to the Rebel Alliance, but the context in Sacrifice is clear. Destiny and Sacrifice are about Yoda learning to become a Force ghost because he would train the "one who will help bring balance" (or something along those lines). The Force ghost trick was all about Luke's story and guiding Luke, and Yoda learning about it was because he would one day train Luke. It's a clear Luke reference. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's a duck. - Brandon Rhea 16:51, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Well seeing as the point of the show is to explain how the alliance came to be then thst makes since. Matt Seay (talk) 17:00, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Can anyone add the new information from "Star Wars 2: Skywalker Strikes Part II"?

I'll be honest. Is this section even needed? (Here and in any other page.) It merely seems like a way to clutter the page. (Even if they're well-written.) | ShiroxCloud ♔ 13:16, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

Are we considering Luke to be a Jedi, a Padawan or what; during the time of A New Hope and the Marvel series? I've been using the term "Jedi Apprentice", because that's closer to what was said in A New hope and Heir to the Jedi. Calvin Schubert 00:45, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

The quote attributed to Luke in the "post-Endor" section is archive audio from Return of the Jedi. I know that Mark Hamill was recorded saying the dialogue again for the trailer, and that is the "echo" that is heard, but this is probably something that was done just for the trailer and not an actual excerpt from the film, and therefore not a quote that can be attributed to Luke post-Endor. I'm also pretty sure that I read somewhere that the narration for the first TFA teaser was recorded by Serkis specifically for the teaser, so it wouldn't be the first time that they did this. Also the quote wouldn't really make sense anyway because he says "my father *has* it" when Anakin is now dead. Rebelssbm (talk) 01:06, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

As Anakin became a Force Spirit. I believe he had presence and aura in the Force and that he did have the Force. I guess it's just speculation. But i do believe that if someone becomes one with the Force they have a great connection to it and has the Force and possibly the ability to use it. Same with Qui-Gon(Though his training to retain his consciousness was incomplete it's clear in the Clone Wars Episode Voices he has the ability to use the Force)Obi-Wan,Yoda and whoever else becomes one with the Force. Eclipse (talk) 07:14, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

Since it says Leia was born two days after Empire Day, shouldn't Luke's say that too? Skywalker2255 (talk) 20:35, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

• Hi. It does, in the "Early life" section. It doesn't need to be in Leia's infobox (that's too much information for an infobox) so I've moved the info on her page from the infobox into the article body. - Brandon Rhea 20:37, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

Okay thanks. That clears things up. Infoboxes should be just to the point. Skywalker2255 (talk) 20:41, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

Should the "Force is strong in my family" quote be used here? It was in the Ep VII trailer and all, but the quote is from RotJ... Thoughts? Cwedin (talk) 04:50, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

I can't find what the standard procedure in cases like these is so I'll explain here and someone who knows the rules can handle it. Luke was only briefly mentioned in Aftermath, there is no info in the book that would be of use to this article. Overlordjeff (talk) 09:30, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

• I'd say the general aftermath of Endor should be at least added to the article, like the fact that the Empire fell and the Rebel Alliance was replaced by the New Republic. It's all relevant context for his upcoming appearance in Episode VII. 11:58, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

There is a lot of assumption in this section. It is assuming that Kylo Ren killed his fellow students but it is never said. He might have turned them - thus creating the Knights of Ren. We do not know. We also do not know that the planet with islands houses the Jedi Temple. It might just be a place where Luke chose to hide. It is never specifically stated. I think the assumptions should be removed. --UnimportantHero (talk) 04:32, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

• I agree. I haven't read the VII novelization of the film but that is the reference used to support an explanation of R2D2's power mode. We need specifics or a deletion. Did R2 really download the entire empire archive while they were trying to escape the deathstar in IV? After downloading the archive in the middle of battle, R2 needs power mode and a whole day to search for the map? This can't be right.Gulliver1swift (talk) 07:08, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

I have a picture of Luke from The Force Awakens. It is of decent quality but not sure if I should upload it. Is there a way I can get an admin to look at it first? I also have a picture of Leia as well. JediMaster1987 (talk) 19:29, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

• The only way to get an image of Luke from the film is through leaks or torrents, which can't be uploaded as they do not qualify for fair use status. We'll need to wait until an image of Luke is officially released. - Brandon Rhea 20:58, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

The Leia picture however comes from one of the TV spots, so that can be used right? JediMaster1987 (talk) 22:33, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to the official announcement video for Episode VIII, we now have a high quality image of Mark Hamill as Luke from the time of the sequel trilogy. Could we add that? VadertheWhite (talk) 20:55, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

• It's not really suited for an infobox. It's too wide, and it's to the side rather than looking straight at him. I would wait until we have an official promotional still, or a Blu Ray screenshot from the film when it's released on home media on April 5th. - Brandon Rhea 21:02, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

Wouldn't this imply that he died? Why does the article start with was?Takua (talk) 22:42, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

• All in-universe articles are written in past tense, per "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." More information can be found in the Manual of Style. Cwedin 22:45, January 23, 2016 (UTC)

Guys, it looks like there is an ongoing dispute about Luke's hair color. Can't we settle the matter once and for all? A New Hope: The Princess, the Scoundrel, and the Farm Boy consistently describes Luke as "blond kid." --LelalMekha (talk) 13:06, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

• If that's what the book says and the character is already generally known as a blond anyway, then that's certainly more than enough for me. He's blond. ProfessorTofty (talk) 15:29, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

is it bothering anyone else that lukes had is no longer human looking? i mean did technology go backwards? last i knew of young luke he had a prostetic that looked real not just a robo hand attached to his arm. why the downgrade? Dracoswizard () 15:20, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

• I would assume after 30 years the synthetic material would either wear itself away, or fall apart following some accident. Also, if you could, please try to use article talk pages to discuss the article, and not the topic of the article. Brules 17:17, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

It was revealed via plot leak that Luke was suffering from an inner conflict between light and darkness around 30 A.B.Y. Should we put this?--Beethoven4ever (talk) 17:35, June 16, 2016 (UTC)

Why doesn't the top of the article require references? Or is the information too obvious, and only in the body for obscure information are they needed? I'm just curious. -- 03:11, August 7, 2016 (UTC)

• As indicated here, "This is done to prevent "congestion" in the main introduction of the article. As most—if not all—information appears elsewhere in the article, do not begin sourcing until after the first heading. If, of course, the information does not appear elsewhere in the article, then it is acceptable to source it in the introduction." --LelalMekha (talk) 07:55, August 7, 2016 (UTC)

This article mentions that Luke spends a whole year training with Yoda. While Episode V itself does not make the passage of time too clear, what is the source that he spent a whole year on Dagobah? QHRvRICdalurIA (talk) 00:22, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Looks like Luke's biography could use some polishing up.Jkirk8907 (talk) 21:54, March 20, 2017 (UTC)

Did Luke really die? How do I know he's not just doing another force telepathy shit? 1992Toph (talk) 19:29, December 19, 2017 (UTC)

Well,we don't exactly know, but he probably died. Rey swung her staff at your head and () 17:17, December 30, 2017 (UTC)

• In Star Wars, when a Jedi disappears and leaves only their robes behind, that means they died. And there have been plenty of interviews with the cast and crew since the movie was released where they talk explicitly about Luke's death. - Brandon Rhea 17:47, December 30, 2017 (UTC)

How do you know that Luke was a member of the Resistance? His fighting with Kylo may not mean he was. 11:21, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

• I agree, the reasoning (weak reasoning in my opinion) for it being there is that Obi-Wan has the Rebel Alliance being in his affilations --Lewisr (talk) 14:21, January 3, 2018 (UTC)

The section Dueling Ben and Death should be reverted back to "Confronting Ben and Death". Luke and Kylo never came in contact with each other, so it can't be a duel, and the name of confrontation better suits the section. The user who changed it to "Dueling" suggested to consult the talk page or an administrator, so this is why I am writing on the talk page.--Vitus Infinitus 07:00, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

• I agree, confronting Ben is more appropriate to what actually happened --Lewisr (talk) 07:03, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
• Confrontation could be applied to a fight, duel, skirmish. But it also has different meanings that don't relate to fighting. Per the definition: A hostile or argumentative meeting or situation between opposing parties. Synonyms: , clash, fight, battle, , , engagement, skirmish. I'm going to go with User:DarthRuiz30--Vitus Infinitus 07:18, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
• This video :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p09c0MXDxto shows members of the story group referring to it as a fight. That makes the official word of the story group that this is a fight. Now knowing that this is canonically considered a fight and the definition of duel is: a contest with deadly weapons arranged between two people in order to settle a point of honor, there is absolutely no way canonically that this can be changed from "Dueling Ben and Death." Canonically this is considered a duel and should not be changed.--Benjay2345 (talk) 07:30, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
• Again, the above reasons, but also, you can't duel with a ghost/apparition because it's not actually there.--Vitus Infinitus 07:54, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

This conversation is way more involved than it needs to be. Ultimately, just choose something catchy for the name of the section. It doesn't need some letter of the law, canonical explanation. There are pages on this wiki that have sections named after OOU song lyrics. - Brandon Rhea 09:16, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

• Brandon, there is nothing wrong with discussing the thematic intentions of a particular scene and whether it was intended to be a duel or not.--Benjay2345 (talk) 09:19, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
• This minute detail about a movie that came out exactly a month ago did not have to be asked to LSG. This discussion is not a controversy when there's only four people discussing and the consensus is the same.--Vitus Infinitus 15:27, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
• Leaving crait and death until this madness stops, Facing Ben is better than duel, but you guys can consider this too "Finding peace and purpose" as name section
• "Finding peace and purpose" is 1000x better than anything else proposed so far. Great suggestion! - Brandon Rhea 06:00, January 15, 2018 (UTC)
• I'm going with Confronting Ben and Death. I think it sounds better, and better encompasses the whole scene. - JMAS 07:05, January 15, 2018 (UTC)

Hey, I just wanted to see if anyone else thinks that this image:

would be more appropriate for the infobox? I feel that it is more representative of Luke's character as a whole rather than the grumpy shot that is currently the main image. I wasn't sure though, whether or not this image would be acceptable as it is technically not of his latest canonical appearance since it is a hologram of a younger version of himself. Is the policy against using this image? What does everyone else think? --Benjay2345 (talk) 05:35, July 29, 2018 (UTC)

• I agree, and I like it; but I'm not sure it is okay to use the image since it's basically Luke's imagined version of himself as a hero. Still, if nobody objects I'd like this image to remain as the infobox image. It would stay permanent since Luke died in the latest film. Jaewade (talk) 06:00, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
• Before we officially start the voting below, does anyone else have any alternative images that they would like included in the vote?--Benjay2345 (talk) 20:40, July 29, 2018 (UTC)
• I vote for the Crait TLJ image. Yo.-User:Fan26 (Talk) 01:41, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
• Here is a higher quality image of Crait Luke that I found that would be perfect for the infobox! We could have a voted between these 3 images if no one else has any other images to suggest.--Benjay2345 (talk) 02:21, July 30, 2018 (UTC)

Hello everyone! Due to the discussion in the topic right above this I have decided to open a vote for which infobox image we should use for Luke. I think that the current infobox image for Luke isn't very representative of his character in the end of TLJ and that a image of heroic Luke on Crait would be more all encompassing of Luke's character as a whole as well as well as his character at the end of TLJ. So with these ideas in mind, the two options which we will be voting on are listed below.

Main Vote Description (edited) This vote has shifted away from a favor towards Crait Luke and I have changed my vote in support of Option 6. I feel that this is the best option because of it being a very professional and natural looking crop that is perfectly suited for the infobox. As Clonehunter put it below: "option (6) is a cleaner image more suitable for an infobox based on its crop and the plain-view of the details (Such as both eyes being more visible)." The overwhelming opinion has shifted towards using Luke in his ceremonial Jedi robes so just a reminder to vote below and express your opinion on which image you think is best suited for the infobox so we can get a clear idea of what the masses prefer.--Benjay2345 (talk) 06:19, August 10, 2018 (UTC)

Main Vote Description I am in support of option 2 for the reasons that I have listed and also from the chat above this one are User:Brandon Rhea's arguments in support of using an image of Crait Luke as the infobox image:

"It is, however, the truest representation of who he was as a character in the end. The "old" Luke is someone who was broken and beaten by mistakes and failure. The projected image of Luke on Crait is the one that truly represents the character: the person who had owned up to his mistakes and was willing to die in order to inspire a legend that would bring a new hope to the galaxy. It's the person who truly earned the right to call himself a Jedi Master. It's the person who remembered the lesson of Return of the Jedi: that the best way to win and be a hero is by finding another way than violence. My vote is a Crait Luke infobox image."

So, without further ado, cast your vote below so we can see which infobox image option the Wookieepedia masses prefer! --Benjay2345 (talk) 20:19, July 29, 2018 (UTC)

• Is there really no better shot from TLJ, from the Crait scene, where Luke is depicted without a lightsaber. IMO we should avoid distracting elements such as ignited lightsabers. Something around 2:12:30 looks like it could work. 1358(Talk) 20:57, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
• I would also be fine with those two as well as the original one. Either of those three works for me.--Vitus Infinitus 01:00, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
• Option 1 is a true representation of how Luke appeared, which is what should be in the infobox. It's not a glorified version we wish he would have been at the end as shown in a force illusion. - JMAS 04:31, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
• Pretty sure the best qualified image would be old Luke seconds before dying, looking at the twin suns. He looks physically the way he was in real life, yet now has the mentality he had during Crait. That or the current one (as it physically looks the most like him).
• Even if we don't choose the Crait ones, option 1 (current) doesn't seem like the best option. He is wearing dark clothing which he wore during his denial of being a Jedi, and at the end, he returned as a Jedi; wearing Jedi attire. Jaewade (talk) 07:18, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
• What is the problem, again, with using a lightsaber in the image? Anakin's has a lightsaber in the image and no one seems to care there? Is there a policy against that or something that I'm not aware of? I tested Option 2 as the infobox image the other day and that image looks awesome as the image in its full glory. --Benjay2345 (talk) 03:29, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
• I am adding Option 6 back to the vote because I feel it is a very infobox useable image due to its simplicity and it being a very straightforward shot of Luke. The image that is now Option 5 is being used in the article itself and it looks really good where it is being used so I think that instead of going to the difficulty of replacing the image in the text, this should remain an option. It was also used as the profile image for years and people will be familiar with it and may want to use it.--Benjay2345 (talk) 19:25, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
• Also, if those of you that have updated your vote to Option 5 because of a lighting issue in the image that is now Option 6, I have updated Option 6 to the correctly lighted version of the image, and feel that this is a loads better option for an infobox image than Option 5 because it is higher quality and less awkwardly cropped.--Benjay2345 (talk) 19:39, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
• If we're gonna be more accurate with his physical appearance and lighting of the image representing his inner self in the end of the movie then I'd suggest having the one where he's looking out on the twin suns of Ahch-To right before he dies, if the quality permits.--Vitus Infinitus 21:47, July 31, 2018 (UTC)
• Hey, quick question, is it against policy to use the infobox image in the text of the article? The full version of Option 5 is currently being used in the Luke Skywalker article and IMO it is an image that functions better as the entire image. If we can't use it in both the article and the infobox, I think that Option 6 would be the better option because it is perfect for the infobox without any cropping and it would allow us to use Option 5 in the text in its full glory. It seems like a waste of such an infobox worthy image in Option 6. Its perfect for the infobox, forward facing, neutral expression (what we always look for). Option 5 seems awkwardly cropped from an image that is better in full.--Benjay2345 (talk) 01:58, August 1, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry but how do I source the information from from a characters biography?

• See this for how to properly source an article. <-Omicron 20:31, August 31, 2018 (UTC)

In "Traits" your tags are broken: <ref name="TLJ Read-Along Storybook & CD>The Last Jedi Read-Along Storybook and CD</ref>

should be

<ref name="TLJ Read-Along Storybook & CD>''[[The Last Jedi Read-Along Storybook and CD]]''</ref>

or maybe just

<ref name="TLJ Read-Along Storybook & CD>''[[The Last Jedi Read-Along Storybook and CD]]''</ref>

And the page is locked, so have fun fixing that by yourselves.

• The page is only locked for people without an account and you should always sign your post with four tides (four of these ). Person741963 (talk) 19:21, March 11, 2019 (UTC)

Why did we remove Leia from his apprentices, Didn't Star Wars: The Last Jedi: The Visual Dictionary say that Leia was his first apprentice and that she discontinued her studies to focus on being a senator and a mom.--Jkirk8907 (talk) 03:45, November 2, 2019 (UTC)

In the novelization of RotJ, Vader talks about Luke's lightsaber skills like they were equal to his own. Additionally both Obi-wan and Yoda were confident enough in Luke's lightsaber abilities by RotJ that they thought Luke could face AND defeat Vader. Luke was the only person who thought Vader could be redeemed, so their mandate to confront him means that they thought Luke was capable of the task. They wouldn't have told Luke to confront Vader if they didn't think that Luke would be able to beat him, because that would be sending Luke to his death (or worse) and end the Jedi. Nothing says Luke "used little to no finesse or strategy", the combat scenes just look different. If the movie was made now, it would look more like Luke used "finesse and strategy". I don't think this section gives Luke's abilities enough credit.

Additionally, while the Sequels aren't very overt about showing Luke's power in the force, they do suggest that Luke is much more powerful than every other Force user. Both Ben and Rey are helpless to do things Luke could do (like project himself) and helpless against him in combat. Furthermore, both Snoke and Palpatine were terrified of Luke's power (also mentioned in the novelization of RotJ), and so they tried to find ways to keep him out of the fight. They knew they couldn't beat him in an outright confrontation, and so they did everything they could to avoid it. I think that their fear of his power and his outclassing of everyone else should be mentioned in this section.

I know that this page wants to avoid "fanboying", but George Lucas himself said that Luke was the most powerful Jedi ever, and he wasn't talking about the EU, he was talking about the OT. Also, all the evidence we have shows that Luke was OP in the ST just like he was in the EU (all though maybe not to the same degree as the EU). I think that this page needs to show that. (128.187.116.4 18:46, July 30, 2020 (UTC)drkenobi)

• As long as its sourced to a canon source, and doesn't cross the line of NPOV, then I don't see why it couldn't be added --Lewisr (talk) 18:52, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

Hey everyone, I know this kind of a minor thing but I think that the infobox image would be better suited with a slightly cropped version. As the image is now, Luke's face is slightly off center even though there is equal space on the left and right of the image. This would be fine if the image followed the rule of thirds but given that it doesn't, it would be customary for the focal point of the image (his face/nose/eyes) to be centered in the frame. The cropped version I have proposed does this as well as also getting rid of unnecessary dead space on the left of the image.

Given there was already a consensus track for this image, I just thought I'd propose this alternate crop (which is much less cropped than the cropped version in the original CT) to see what everyone thought! Benjay2345 (talk) 20:34, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• I'm fine with cropping. But if we're going to do that, then the character should be centered in the image, meaning there should be roughly the same amount of sky on each side of his head. Your suggested version is cropped too far left. I've uploaded a cropped version to the file being used on the page currently, which I think is satisfactory. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Why is Luke a member of Category:Kings? — YakovChaimTzvi (talk) 19:01, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

• He was briefly a king in Queen of Ktath'atn's hiveLewisr (talk) 19:10, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Since the article starts with a note that there's a continuity conflict between Return of the Jedi: Beware the Power of the Dark Side! and Age of Rebellion - Luke Skywalker 1, shouldn't there be some kind of clarification as to what exactly that is? This is a HUGE article, after all, and it's not outright clear what the issue is. Does anyone even know what it is, exactly? Pat Springleaf (talk) 19:09, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

• I believe the conflict would be Luke's use of his ROTJ lightsaber in Age of Rebellion, which contradicts the deleted scene, presumably referenced in that novelisation, showing its construction on Tatooine immediately before the events of the movie. RogueWhistler (talk) 19:19, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Please.

It's so bad.

• Hello, and welcome to Wookieepedia! First off, please mind your tone as Civility policy applies everywhere on the site. Now, regarding the current infobox image, its use was approved through a community vote that you can read about here. If you wish to propose a better alternative, you are free to do so by initiating a new vote on Wookieepedia's Consensus track, bringing forth a more suitable image(s) and keeping in mind the rules for voting as set forth in the Voting eligibility and Consensus policies. Hope this helps, Imperators II 09:30, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I'm new to wookieepedia, though I've been reading its articles for some years, and decided to ask a pair of questions regarding my favourite Star Wars character, Luke Skywalker. First, I'd like to ask about his height, though his infobox states he stands at 1.72m, I’ve found some pages claiming his actual stature is 1.75m (mainly Dimensions.com), also I’ve noticed some characters getting their heights updated (like Ahsoka Tano, she went from 1.70m to 1.76m), and if his height is truly 1.72m, does he stays the same during the whole original trilogy? It seems a bit illogical (even by movie standards), so I’d like to know if his height has been updated or not. For my second question I’d like to ask about Luke's DL-44 blaster, which we see mostly in ESB. I've read most of his article and so far, I haven't found anything. Am I missing something? I've always wanted to know how he got it, so if you have anything on the topic, please let me know.

Hi. Quick question, isn’t Luke actually a tad bit taller? I know both the sw databank and TROS visual dictionary say he’s 1.72m (approx. 5feet 8inches), but the web says Mark Hamill is 1.75m (approx. 5feet 9inches) and Wikipedia also asserts it, though to be fair, I’m not 100% sure of it (there’s a bit of controversy regarding Hamill’s height) which is why I decided to ask here. I’ll appreciate any feedback and info on the matter thanks! PD: this has absolutely nothing to do with today being Mark Hamill’s birthday, nope sir, not a thing, rien, zilch, nada.

• Luke's height and Mark hammill's height don't have to be the sameVergenceScatter (talk) 22:54, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
• For some reason, various characters are taller or shorter than the real person who portrayed them! Luke apparently got hit with the "shorter" stick. Immi Thrax (she/her) (talk) 05:34, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

I've read the public explanation from the official Wook Twitter account and seen some of the articles being paraded around. I humbly submit that this is something worth actual discussion. It seems to be the subjective interpretation of a reader and/or readers. There doesn't appear to be any actual evidence to support this.

Perhaps it would be best to simply add a section on the main page at the bottom pointing out that Luke's sexual identity is up for debate based off one's interpretation of a short story instead of just categorically declaring this to be so. I say this because I think it's pretty clear that if we were to point blank ask George Lucas, he'd almost assuredly say "No" or "It's not something I ever gave much thought."

I think it's unwise to be so definitive about something like that without denoting the fact that at absolute best, it's up to a reader's particular interpretation and/or proclivities.

• The canon continuity Luke (but not Luke Skywalker/Legends) is in the LGBTQ+ individuals category based on a published story. The "evidence" is that he is depicted within a Star Wars story ("Luke on the Bright Side") as being attracted to a man, Reyé Hollis, and he has also been attracted to women that include Chelli Lona Aphra, Tula Markona, and Nakari Kelen. We can't ask a fictional character "how do you label yourself?", but we can document what is presented in the actual Star Wars universe rather than what someone on the internet speculates about what George Lucas would think or if it fits their personal vision of Luke's character. If a future story were to retcon this detail, we would document that and adjust accordingly—but until or unless that happens, this is canonical for Luke Skywalker. Immi Thrax (she/her) 20:04, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm familiar with the argument. But the story in no way reads that way. One can read the entire story (which is assumed at middle grade readers) as a tale of friendship, not romance. It doesn't even describe Luke as having romantic feelings toward Reyé Hollis, but rather as having feelings with regard to Reye's distrust of Luke. Can you cite the specific passage and line that makes the case for romance? Is it this one:

“I look down at our faintly glowing hands and then back up at Reyé. I wouldn’t say he looks happy; I don’t think the guy has looked happy a day in his life. There’s still some doubt in his eyes. But I will say—if I’m going easy on myself—that he looks impressed. I flash the same big grin I gave him the first time I saw him. ‘See? Jedi aren’t all bad.'”

Or perhaps the line about the glacier fly?

If that is the evidence, there just isn't really any hard evidence there. Do we assume that smiling at someone is always romantic?

The retcon seems to be the definitive labeling of Luke as LGBTQ. I think it's unwise to create such an issue on such extremely flimsy and subjective evidence. At a minimum, this should be debated among the Wookieepedia community and discussed or a disclaimer should be added to this entry outlining that it's an ongoing interpretation.

We shouldn't declare something definitive that simply isn't objectively definitive.

• Please make sure to sign your comments with ~~~~! I'm sorry, but I don't think we can include that much text due to copyright restrictions on sharing substantial parts of a work, and because of differences in editions, I can't identify line numbers. Luke's interactions with Reyé and vice versa are consistent with attraction as it is depicted in other written narratives for middle grade readers. Many stories for middle grade readers (generally age 9-12) include characters experiencing attraction or romantic feelings in ways that are suitable for their reading level and stage of emotional development. This may include finding someone else pleasant to look at, thinking they smell nice, wanting to touch their hair, holding hands, being concerned about the other person liking them--you know, a crush. Some readers may not be familiar with middle grade writing or don't recognize a written portrayal of those emotions; the story shows the reader, not tells the reader (like "Luke is attracted to Reyé. Reyé is attracted to Luke.") Accurately documenting how a character is portrayed in a canonical story and how writing works is not creating an issue or something that requires a reader disclaimer about how some people disagree with that portrayal. Immi Thrax (she/her) 22:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Respectfully, this is your interpretation or perhaps the interpretation of another moderator/curator here at the Wook. That's fine if you read that subtext in the story as being romantic--but that's an inference made on your part, which by definition is a subjective--not objective--occurrence. It's not necessarily a matter of the book saying: "They like each other and they have romantic feelings." It's a matter of the Wook taking a definitive position on something that is subtle and subjective (which by its very nature lends itself to interpretation) when the appropriate response should be to take a position on the POSSIBLE portrayal of Luke, not the definitive portrayal. If the author provides a definitive answer that yes, this is what she was going for, then so be it.

But to my knowledge, she nor Lucasfilm have stated as much. Which means that the subjective interpretation here is doing pretty much all the work to justify the label. That's seemingly not up to the fairly strict guidelines that are put in place for accuracy on this page--guidelines which routinely require precise observations and characterizations from the broader community. Unless and until the author herself chimes in or Lucasfilm says that they greenlit a romantic subtext, the best course of action in the interim is simply the addition of a new section outlining that there is some debate in the community based off Luke and Reye's interactions.

It's a bit patronizing to assume those who question this labeling may not be familiar with middle grade writing--particularly when some of us (like myself) have children who have read the book.

To be blunt: At this juncture, this is pure interpretive wishcasting that seems almost designed to generate clicks rather than to accurately characterize Luke Skywalker. We should be careful, accurate, and respectful to the intellectual property. That means waiting until there is definitive confirmation from the author, Disney, or Lucasfilm. WEagle1985 (talk) 01:39, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

• I took an exercise in this to "test" the subjectivity. Changing Reye's character references to someone with an established romantic relationship (like Mara Jade for example, Since I'm old school), it would fit perfectly in their relationship as a romantic couple, or just prior when they expressed attraction for each other. Taking that perspective, and considering the same exercise if someone with whom Luke had a non-romantic relationship with (such as Han, Chewie or Kenobi), it is extremely clear that this isn't a simple friendship with simple inference. It is a bigger assumption that the interaction is platonic than it is romantic. It's also clearly established that Luke had strong romantic feelings and acted on said feelings for numerous women. We don't have additional data regarding Luke's feelings towards men, but this is a case of clear attraction so we document said attraction and relationship and again, leave it to the reader to interpret. The category reflects that attraction towards men, without defining Luke as Bisexual or Pansexual or something else, but this attraction towards men is not something a heterosexual man would express, speaking from experience as one. Downplaying this as a friendship is a bigger leap than accepting what is written as clear attraction to the other character. Manoof 07:33, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

You made my point perhaps unintentionally by implying that both positions here are assumptions (that it's potentially romantic or that it's platonic). Your view is that one is a bigger assumption than the other, but nevertheless, both are assumptions.

Accuracy--particularly when it comes to arguably THE central figure in all of Star Wars--should be paramount. It has always been paramount here which is why we don't even assume a planet in Legends remains a planet in Canon until we get absolute definitive confirmation. We instead label them as astronomical objects until a work, an author, or a definitive source finally makes it clear that yes: "Bimmisaari is a planet."

Why are we not applying the same standard here? WEagle1985 (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

• My comment regarding the assumptions is one of a simple "this is how a romantic/attraction would be described/presented" compared to "this is how a romantic/attraction would be described/presented, but since Luke has not expressed this towards other men then it can't be romantic/attraction and it must simply be a strong friendship." From memory there is no real foundation of a friendship before these feelings, further stretching this logic. It is one step compared to the discount of said step in order to support one's position that these are not romantic/attraction feelings. Further, the comparison of Wook's stance regarding inanimate objects like planets, and this situation regarding characters is a strange one to make, considering these are completely different circumstances and questions. The planets one is "Is this canon thing the same as what has been established in Legends?" with the context that this is not always the case. The Luke thing is "do we take what was written on face value or logic our way out of it." with the context that it was never explicitly stated whether Luke found men attractive in Legends or not—that is, it would not have been contradictory for a Legends story to have come out noting Luke finding a man attractive and having romantic feelings, since no Legends material established he ONLY had feelings for women, only that he DID have feelings for women. The standards have been met and maintained, we are only documenting what happened. I believe Mark Hamill himself has said on occasion for a while that there is room for people to consider Luke being gay/bi if that is how they feel without considering this story's depiction, since it is not widely well known as a book targeting middle grade readers and has been around for almost a year. Manoof 08:43, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate the genuine effort to explain, but the answers thus far haven't been especially satisfactory. I'm not sure that one entry being an inanimate object and the other being a person makes much difference to the underlying point, which is that there are precise standards that the Wook has adhered to for close to two decades on all of our entries. If we wait until we have definitive confirmation on something as relatively trivial as a planet from Legends still being a planet in Canon, then one would think we would do the absolute same for--again--arguably the central figure in all of Star Wars.

I don't believe my position is an unreasonable one: 1. The context of Luke Skywalker's relationship with Reyé Hollis in the short story is currently subjective. Some assume it to contain romantic subtext. Others read it as platonic and/or perhaps just situationally awkward. 2. Neither the author nor Lucasfilm/Disney have outright stated their position on this matter, leaving it still open to interpretation. 3. The Wook has high standards for making a definitive determination on things as relatively trivial as planets and pieces of technology.

Therefore, assuming we all continue to care about the accuracy of the universe we all love, should not the Wook extend such a standard to Luke Skywalker? And is not the easiest thing to do (unless and until official confirmation is provided) to just create a separate section on the matter pointing out there are some questions arising from Luke on the Bright Side and then remove the LGBTQ tag until official confirmation is provided?

Do the moderators consider that to be an unreasonable position? And by unreasonable, I mean a position that is beyond the limits of acceptability or fairness? WEagle1985 (talk) 20:38, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

• It's a fair if incomplete way of looking at it, aye. However, while literature (and indeed any form of art) can be subject to differing interpretations by different individuals, the subtext itself under both cursory and close examination clearly presents an attraction between the two men, which in the human context is labelled as part of LGBTQIA+, hence the category. Wookieepedia's job is not to document individual interpretations, yes, but to simply document information existing in the sources themselves—even in the absence of publically expressed authorial intent. Given the short story's use of romantic motifs commonly employed in literature and specifically focuses on physical intimacy (e.g. softness, scent, holding hands), detailing the attraction between Luke and Reyé is a reasonable, duck-testable conclusion of an analysis that is accurate and faithful to the source and indeed falls under Wookieepedia's high standards. It's as canon as it gets. Everybody has a right to their own head-canon, but for the purposes of this wiki, unless audiences broadly fail to find the romantic sentiment in the story, I see no reason to tone down the relationship shown in the short story on the premise of some readers not catching the subtext on first reading and needing explicit confirmation from official sources. OOM224 21:46, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

"...as Yoda, from Moff Gideon forces..." should read "...as Yoda, from Moff Gideon's forces..." "...Skywalker was visited by Anakin former padawan..." should read "Skywalker was visited by Anakin's former padawan..." "...accept the gift and returnto..." should read "...accept the gift and return to..." "...while Skywalker bided Tano farewell..." should read "...while Skywalker bid Tano farewell..."

• I updated it, thanks DarthSkyll (talk) 14:14, 7 December 2023 (UTC)