I've been working on a dedicated page for the confrontation between Darth Sidious and Darth Maul alongside Savage Opress, which you can find here. However, both Cade Calrayn and JangFett are consistently trying to remove it and redirect traffic to this page. Given that the Duel on Yavin 4 and the Duel on Death Star II each possess their own distinct articles (as do other duels), despite their inclusion within their respective battles, such as the Battle of Muunilinst and the Battle of Endor, I believed it was appropriate to separate the Sundari duel from the broader Sundari battle. What are your thoughts on this matter? Milar Kayne (talk) 15:38, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Generally speaking, a singular, focused event warrants its own dedicated article. While exceptions exist based on significance, if a duel is part of a larger conflict, creating a separate article for it becomes redundant when the information can be thoroughly detailed within the larger battle article. Examples of this include the Battle of Christophsis (refer to the various redirects), the Battle of the Kaliida Nebula (see Mission aboard the Malevolence), the Battle of Coruscant (see Duel on the Invisible Hand), as well as Duel on Geonosis and Duel on Naboo. Again, notability can create exceptions, but that's the usual guideline. Since the palace duel isn't directly tied to the overarching Sundari battle, it could potentially stand alone as an article. However, my personal preference would be to incorporate it into the "Battle of Sundari" article for the sake of simplicity. If the duel has its own article, the information would need to be duplicated across two articles instead of being contained in one, leading to the kind of repetition we aim to avoid in battle articles. CC7567 (talk) 20:00, March 15, 2013 (UTC) Assuming this is the general consensus (which I'm not yet convinced it is), would it be acceptable for me to enhance the duel's coverage within the Battle of Sundari article? If not, I'd rather maintain a separate article for the duel. Thanks, Milar Kayne (talk) 20:46, March 15, 2013 (UTC) What specific details are missing from the Battle of Sundari article? From my perspective, the only difference is your highly detailed, present-tense writing style. Cade Calrayn 20:57, March 15, 2013 (UTC) I must concur with CC's assessment. I myself have consolidated several articles into a single one due to their temporal and objective similarities, rendering them less distinct. I believe the Duel at Sundari article exhibits these characteristics. Corellian PremierThe Force will be with you always 19:07, March 16, 2013 (UTC) My belief is that the duel warrants its own article, as I perceive it as disconnected from the rest of the battle. While they occurred simultaneously in the same city, the main battle's combatants were unaware of the duel, and vice versa. In the examples provided earlier, the concentrated events involved combatants participating in the larger battle and contributed to its objectives. In this instance, Palpatine sought to eliminate his rivals, while Bo-Katan's forces aimed to remove Obi-Wan from the planet or liberate Mandalore. These appear to be distinct events. Furthermore, why would the duel require extensive coverage in the Battle of Sundari article, beyond a brief mention? Tomari7 (talk) 02:38, March 17, 2013 (UTC) I am in agreement. Maul and Savage may have been targets for the rebels, but Sidious had no involvement in the broader battle. If Maul and Savage hadn't been essentially rogue Sith, the duel would likely not have transpired. Had the duel been a logical consequence of the battle (for instance, if Kenobi had dueled the two Sith), I would support merging the articles. Thank you for the clarification, Tomari! Milar Kayne (talk) 04:34, March 17, 2013 (UTC) Another point of differentiation between this situation and the merged examples is that the duel could have unfolded identically without the battle, and the battle could have proceeded similarly without the duel. Their concurrency is merely coincidental, driven primarily by the need to condense numerous events into a 22-minute episode. Tomari7 (talk) 04:55, March 22, 2013 (UTC) If anything, I'd recommend reducing the duel's coverage in the battle article to a minimal synopsis, rather than the current detailed description. Also, for those debating the presence of "trivia" in the "Behind the Scenes" section of the Duel at Sundari page, bear in mind that many well-regarded Wookieepedia articles contain substantial amounts of trivia. If you insist on strictly suppressing trivia (in violation of the trivia code of conduct), then apply that standard consistently by removing the "Behind the Scenes" section from all Wookieepedia articles. Cheers, Milar Kayne (talk) 05:40, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
Now that it seems the Duel at Sundari page will be maintained, are there any objections to removing the sections about it from this article? Tomari7 (talk) 00:19, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
My edit to remove the duel information was reverted. Given the decision that the duel was separate from the battle, I see no reason to retain it in this article. Does anyone have a justification for keeping it before I remove it again? Tomari7 (talk) 00:48, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
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It would be wise to wait longer than two and a half hours before simply deleting it, allowing others time to respond. Perhaps it should be included in the aftermath section, as Corellian Premier suggested? Trip391 ( talk ) 01:26, April 15, 2013 (UTC) I did wait and ask for objections yesterday (please note). I also included it in the aftermath section, but I reduced it to 4 or 5 sentences, feeling that extensive coverage was unnecessary. If more coverage is desired, that's another matter to discuss. Tomari7 (talk) 01:38, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
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My apologies; I only looked at the time, not the date. However, it's best to wait a bit longer, as some people don't visit the site daily. Trip391 ( talk ) 01:55, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
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I have restored the duel information because, while it is a distinct conflict related to the Sith rather than the Death Watch power struggle, it still occurs within the context of the larger battle. Both events happen concurrently due to the same catalyst: Maul. Reduced to two paragraphs and a single image, I believe this concise section still belongs in the overall battle article, providing a transition to the specific duel article for those interested. Bella'Mia ( talk ) 03:36, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
I'm curious about who the actual victor of the battle was: the Nite Owls or the Super Commandos, or is the outcome unknown?--50.107.45.106 23:19, May 13, 2013 (UTC)Jedi Wookiee
It's rather funny that after all the debate about whether Cato Neimoidia and the bombing were indeed the next events in the timeline, it's now confirmed that they were. Who would have predicted that? Milar Kayne (talk) 01:47, October 13, 2013 (UTC)